Comments for ENG101 Online http://eng101online.com Dr. Cooper's Freshman Composition Class Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:52:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 Comment on Discussion #2: Dea(r)th of Student Responsibility by Clint http://eng101online.com/2010/09/07/discussion-2-dearth-of-student-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-111 Clint Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:52:03 +0000 http://eng101online.com/?p=308#comment-111 Well I guess it's just us two to comment on each other. I totally agree with not getting a good grade just because you paid for the class. The grade should be earned. I feel that if I am paying for this class I am going to get the most out of it, work hard and get the grade I deserve. Well I guess it’s just us two to comment on each other. I totally agree with not getting a good grade just because you paid for the class. The grade should be earned. I feel that if I am paying for this class I am going to get the most out of it, work hard and get the grade I deserve.

]]> Comment on Discussion #2: Dea(r)th of Student Responsibility by Clint http://eng101online.com/2010/09/07/discussion-2-dearth-of-student-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-110 Clint Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:30:51 +0000 http://eng101online.com/?p=308#comment-110 The first point that stood out to me was how they explained that technical schools don't work as well as colleges and universities. I graduated from Motorcycle Mechanics Institute and I have no job in that field, and from what I have heard not many do. It made sense that college teaches you to be a critical thinker and that's what many employers want. When it talked about attendance should be considered in your final grade I do agree with that. However I feel that indirectly or directly it affects your grade. If your not there you wont do as well as someone who is there in every class. However, I can see Karen St Clair's argument on attendance. I believe you will get out what you put in. If you don't take the time to come to class and do the work you will not get what you expect, if not in class as a letter grade, then years later after you graduate. Higher education should not be looked at as a business with customers (students). Students should have to work for the grade they get, not just because they paid for the class. I can see how teachers feel pressure to give students good grades, because that is a measuring tool on how good of teacher they are. They don't want every student to have C's or below because they think it would reflect how they are teaching when in reality its probably mostly the students not putting forth the effort. Most students want a degree to get them the job they want, to earn the money they want. I have never thought about going to school just for an education, rather as a means to get to the financial stability I want. I don't think there is an answer to this problem, you will always have the slackers just skimming by, and you will always have the ones who do good and succeed. When all is said and done, you get what what you put in. The first point that stood out to me was how they explained that technical schools don’t work as well as colleges and universities. I graduated from Motorcycle Mechanics Institute and I have no job in that field, and from what I have heard not many do. It made sense that college teaches you to be a critical thinker and that’s what many employers want.
When it talked about attendance should be considered in your final grade I do agree with that. However I feel that indirectly or directly it affects your grade. If your not there you wont do as well as someone who is there in every class. However, I can see Karen St Clair’s argument on attendance. I believe you will get out what you put in. If you don’t take the time to come to class and do the work you will not get what you expect, if not in class as a letter grade, then years later after you graduate.
Higher education should not be looked at as a business with customers (students). Students should have to work for the grade they get, not just because they paid for the class.
I can see how teachers feel pressure to give students good grades, because that is a measuring tool on how good of teacher they are. They don’t want every student to have C’s or below because they think it would reflect how they are teaching when in reality its probably mostly the students not putting forth the effort.
Most students want a degree to get them the job they want, to earn the money they want. I have never thought about going to school just for an education, rather as a means to get to the financial stability I want.
I don’t think there is an answer to this problem, you will always have the slackers just skimming by, and you will always have the ones who do good and succeed. When all is said and done, you get what what you put in.

]]> Comment on Discussion #2: Dea(r)th of Student Responsibility by Kevin J Gajer http://eng101online.com/2010/09/07/discussion-2-dearth-of-student-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-109 Kevin J Gajer Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:29:02 +0000 http://eng101online.com/?p=308#comment-109 After reading this weeks article, "The Dea(r)th of Student Responsibility" (Holly Hassel and Jessica Lourey) there were a couple of points that stood out to me. The survey that was taken of community college and undergraduate students, regarding their completion of assigned reading, shocked me. It's hard to believe that 90% of students, unaware they were to be questioned about their assignment, failed to complete the reading required. On top of that, 70% of these students were unable to get a single quiz question correct (which shouldn't be too surprising, since they weren't prepared). I was unaware that students gave their instructors evaluations at the end of the semester. This concept seems bizarre to me. If the instructor doesn't give me the grade I want, I can mark them down for it? Does this seem a little backward to anyone but myself? If the instructor's job is on the line, due to student evaluations, why wouldn't there be a rise in grade inflation? It's my opinion that the only person qualified in the room to give a proper evaluation of the instructor, IS the instructor. I don't have training or education anywhere near the level of the teacher. How am I qualified to grade their performance? If there is a serious problem with the instructor, such as discrimination or extreme favoritism, it should be my right to bring this to the attention of someone above the instructor. They would be the ones to evaluate the performance, and or claims made against the instructor. Another reference made in the article was that of many students 'self-entitled' attitudes. Since they paid for the class, they should at least get a passing or above average grade. That's like saying, "Well I paid the ticket price for this football game, so I should get to play with the team." An exaggeration at best, but it fits the attitude. Paying for a class entitles the student to one thing, the opportunity to take the course and receive the education being offered by it. Everything beyond that is up to the student. Expecting a passing grade because of paying for a course is like expecting an employer to pay for someone sitting at their desk surfing the web. Well, they hired you, didn't they? So you should get a check. It doesn't make any sense to me. After reading this weeks article, “The Dea(r)th of Student Responsibility” (Holly Hassel and Jessica Lourey) there were a couple of points that stood out to me.

The survey that was taken of community college and undergraduate students, regarding their completion of assigned reading, shocked me. It’s hard to believe that 90% of students, unaware they were to be questioned about their assignment, failed to complete the reading required. On top of that, 70% of these students were unable to get a single quiz question correct (which shouldn’t be too surprising, since they weren’t prepared).

I was unaware that students gave their instructors evaluations at the end of the semester. This concept seems bizarre to me. If the instructor doesn’t give me the grade I want, I can mark them down for it? Does this seem a little backward to anyone but myself? If the instructor’s job is on the line, due to student evaluations, why wouldn’t there be a rise in grade inflation?

It’s my opinion that the only person qualified in the room to give a proper evaluation of the instructor, IS the instructor. I don’t have training or education anywhere near the level of the teacher. How am I qualified to grade their performance? If there is a serious problem with the instructor, such as discrimination or extreme favoritism, it should be my right to bring this to the attention of someone above the instructor. They would be the ones to evaluate the performance, and or claims made against the instructor.

Another reference made in the article was that of many students ‘self-entitled’ attitudes. Since they paid for the class, they should at least get a passing or above average grade. That’s like saying, “Well I paid the ticket price for this football game, so I should get to play with the team.” An exaggeration at best, but it fits the attitude. Paying for a class entitles the student to one thing, the opportunity to take the course and receive the education being offered by it. Everything beyond that is up to the student. Expecting a passing grade because of paying for a course is like expecting an employer to pay for someone sitting at their desk surfing the web. Well, they hired you, didn’t they? So you should get a check. It doesn’t make any sense to me.

]]> Comment on Discussion #1: Class Introductions by Beau http://eng101online.com/2009/07/22/discussion-1-class-introductions/comment-page-1/#comment-108 Beau Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:07:04 +0000 http://eng101online.com/?p=6#comment-108 Turns out you were right - the code is different with each person. I(f anyone is wondering - make sure to check your school email for the code. If you didn't, I suggest contacting Cooper for help. Turns out you were right – the code is different with each person. I(f anyone is wondering – make sure to check your school email for the code. If you didn’t, I suggest contacting Cooper for help.

]]> Comment on Discussion #1: Class Introductions by Chassidy http://eng101online.com/2009/07/22/discussion-1-class-introductions/comment-page-1/#comment-107 Chassidy Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:24:35 +0000 http://eng101online.com/?p=6#comment-107 mmm I think i want to be a marriage counselor? but idk there are just so many options! it's crazy :) I'm sure I will change my mind a few times lol What do you plan on doing?! mmm I think i want to be a marriage counselor? but idk there are just so many options! it’s crazy :) I’m sure I will change my mind a few times lol What do you plan on doing?!

]]> Comment on Discussion #1: Class Introductions by Chassidy http://eng101online.com/2009/07/22/discussion-1-class-introductions/comment-page-1/#comment-106 Chassidy Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:22:53 +0000 http://eng101online.com/?p=6#comment-106 well i hope you found it by now! :D haha well i hope you found it by now! :D haha

]]> Comment on Discussion #1: Class Introductions by Beau http://eng101online.com/2009/07/22/discussion-1-class-introductions/comment-page-1/#comment-105 Beau Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:40:07 +0000 http://eng101online.com/?p=6#comment-105 I also have a chihuahua, except he looks like a jack russell terrier and is a giant baby. I also have a chihuahua, except he looks like a jack russell terrier and is a giant baby.

]]> Comment on Discussion #1: Class Introductions by Cory Beran http://eng101online.com/2009/07/22/discussion-1-class-introductions/comment-page-1/#comment-104 Cory Beran Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:05:29 +0000 http://eng101online.com/?p=6#comment-104 I play electric guitar =] i like playing acoustic as well but i only have electric. I play electric guitar =] i like playing acoustic as well but i only have electric.

]]> Comment on Discussion #1: Class Introductions by lin2059078 http://eng101online.com/2009/07/22/discussion-1-class-introductions/comment-page-1/#comment-103 lin2059078 Sun, 29 Aug 2010 05:41:19 +0000 http://eng101online.com/?p=6#comment-103 Yeahh same here!!! :) Yeahh same here!!! :)

]]> Comment on Discussion #1: Class Introductions by lin2059078 http://eng101online.com/2009/07/22/discussion-1-class-introductions/comment-page-1/#comment-102 lin2059078 Sun, 29 Aug 2010 05:40:42 +0000 http://eng101online.com/?p=6#comment-102 I think everyone went to moon valley except me. lol I went to Centennial High School. I think everyone went to moon valley except me. lol I went to Centennial High School.

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